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Orbert
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wayne is trying to protect his family, for sure; I guess I just question his judgement. I know -- easy for me to say.

But why couldn't he have told Dahlia and everyone else that Dale came back and killed Pete? It's not like Wayne did it himself. Oh that's right, at the time, he hadn't told Dahlia that Dale was even in the house. She didn't like hearing that, I remember. What I don't remember is whether that was before or after Dale showed up while she was in the tub. (How'd he get in, anyway?)

Also, is there some reason why he didn't tell Dale that he didn't kill the real Riches? I've never forgotten that the Malloys did not kill the Riches; that was an accident caused by the other family's RV. Yes, this led to Wayne impulsive idea to just take over their lives, to "steal the American dream", but he didn't kill the Riches, so why let Dale think he did? If it's to maybe inspire a little fear in Dale, make him think that Wayne's capable of killing two people in cold blood, it didn't work.

Back to Wayne and the growing problems and deceit. In the past, Wayne has always just dealt with it himself. That time in the RV, when the kids were all worried, Dahlia just said "Don't worry, your father has a plan" and you could see a nearly reflexive response in the kids. They were suddenly fine, secure in the knowledge that Dad would handle it. They did ask "So what's the plan?" but it was really more curiosity than real paranoia.

But everything in Eden Falls is bigger, more complex, than what they've dealt with before, and they need to stick together. Wayne did say to Dahlia "I need you here, now. I can't do this without you." Of course, this was while Dahlia was trying to tell him about the parole officer stuff.
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unholyghost2003
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orbert wrote:
But why couldn't he have told Dahlia and everyone else that Dale came back and killed Pete? It's not like Wayne did it himself. Oh that's right, at the time, he hadn't told Dahlia that Dale was even in the house. She didn't like hearing that, I remember. What I don't remember is whether that was before or after Dale showed up while she was in the tub. (How'd he get in, anyway?)

Also, is there some reason why he didn't tell Dale that he didn't kill the real Riches? I've never forgotten that the Malloys did not kill the Riches; that was an accident caused by the other family's RV.


I wondered why he didn't tell her that Dale killed Pete myself. The only thing I can figure is that she would panic. Dale showed up in the bathroom AFTER Pete was murdered ... I remember just because I wondered why Wayne let Dahlia think that Dale having them over a barrel was all HER fault. When Dahlia was telling Wayne about Dale attacking her was the prefect opportunity for Wayne to tell Dahlia that Dale killed Pete. The only reason for this I can think of is Lies Beget Lies and a lie of omission like that quickly becomes an issue where the information is no longer the issue, the fact that it wasn't shared is the issue.
As far as how Dale got in ... just through the door I would think. Alarm systems are not on when someone is home, Dale should be able to bump a lock (assuming the door was even locked) and his presence in the neighborhood as a handy man has been long established ... neighborhood security and the neighbors wouldn't think twice about a local handy man going into their house.

As far as telling Dale that they didn't kill the Riches, I don't see how that would help anything. IF Dale believed him what does that help? They can't PROVE that they didn't kill the Riches and they have stolen the Riches identity and covered up their death. The Malloys are in the same position whether Dale thinks they killed the Riches or not. Trying to prove to Dale that they have never killed anybody would have just taken up time when there was Pete's body to dispose of and wouldn't help at all.
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Dahling
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
unholyghost2003 wrote:
Isn't that the point of the show? They are all trying to do the right thing, but they do it the wrong way. Or they learn that the "right thing" (the Buffer way of life) is just as fraudulent and dishonest as being travelers, sometimes worse.


Well, that's exactly it, couldn't have said it better myself. Wink

Orbert wrote:
But why couldn't he have told Dahlia and everyone else that Dale came back and killed Pete? It's not like Wayne did it himself.


Yeah, I agree with unholyghost2003. I think he didn't want Dahlia to panic and he wanted to protect his family. He said he would take care of it. Plus, had he told her that Dale killed Pete, he would have to tell her that Dale was at the house, that he found out, and pretty much that he could sell them out. I actually found the scene where Dahlia says that it's her fault that Dale can do this to them especially painful to watch because she didn't know the whole story.

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Also, is there some reason why he didn't tell Dale that he didn't kill the real Riches?


Actually, he did tell Dale, twice. The first time, when he finds Dale in the house, Wayne said "I didn't kill them." And the second time was while they were digging the grave. Wayne said, "It wasn't my fault, it was an accident."
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CaelLuver
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:35 am    Post subject: Missing People? Reply with quote
Interesting discussion going on here! I think you guys have it covered though, so I'm just going to point out something I noticed and found a little odd. Someone earlier mentioned that Grandma was missing, and it seems Nina was too! I suppose they just weren't crucial to the goings-on in this particular episode, but I miss them! (You'd think Grandma at least would have made an appearance, since she DOES live in their house...)
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Emilie
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Funny, you should say this. I was fully expecting to see grandma on the sofa along with Sam at the end of the episode and wondered where she was.
As for Nina, I guess she really wasn't essential to the story this time, as I hadn't thought about her until you mentioned it.
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Dian55
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi y'all, just a thought here since the subject of the real Riches has come up, what ever happened to their bodies? I don't ever remember anyone finding them or anything,or have I just forgotten Confused
Dahling wrote:
unholyghost2003 wrote:
Isn't that the point of the show? They are all trying to do the right thing, but they do it the wrong way. Or they learn that the "right thing" (the Buffer way of life) is just as fraudulent and dishonest as being travelers, sometimes worse.


Well, that's exactly it, couldn't have said it better myself. Wink

Orbert wrote:
But why couldn't he have told Dahlia and everyone else that Dale came back and killed Pete? It's not like Wayne did it himself.


Yeah, I agree with unholyghost2003. I think he didn't want Dahlia to panic and he wanted to protect his family. He said he would take care of it. Plus, had he told her that Dale killed Pete, he would have to tell her that Dale was at the house, that he found out, and pretty much that he could sell them out. I actually found the scene where Dahlia says that it's her fault that Dale can do this to them especially painful to watch because she didn't know the whole story.

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Also, is there some reason why he didn't tell Dale that he didn't kill the real Riches?


Actually, he did tell Dale, twice. The first time, when he finds Dale in the house, Wayne said "I didn't kill them." And the second time was while they were digging the grave. Wayne said, "It wasn't my fault, it was an accident."
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unholyghost2003
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nope! no one has found their bodies ... yet ... that we know of. But they (The Malloys) DID push the car into a swamp. W/o a reason to go looking no one is likely to go looking and there is prob. very little left of the Riches by now.
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Orbert
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't know if we specifically saw it or not, but I figured the real Riches were still in the car when they pushed it into the pond and let it sink. Not exactly the cleanest solution. Should someone notice the marks on the road, and the evidence of a car running off the road and into the woods, any decent detective would be able to eventually find the car, with the Riches' remains maybe still inside. The ensuing investigation could easily lead them to Eden Falls and The Malloys.

However, at the time, The Malloys were still very much Travellers, small-timers at best. Their mentality at the time would have been that they'd gotten rid of the evidence and were fine. In all their previous experience, it only needs to stay gone for a couple of days, tops, long enough to get out of town. I've never thought of that before, though. It's still out there, and could eventually be their undoing.
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CaelFan05
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dahlia is trying to let Wayne know, and I think he is more protecting her at this point than lying. The less she knows the better, he takes the fall this time, not her.
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unholyghost2003
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orbert wrote:
I don't know if we specifically saw it or not, but I figured the real Riches were still in the car when they pushed it into the pond and let it sink. Not exactly the cleanest solution. Should someone notice the marks on the road, and the evidence of a car running off the road and into the woods, any decent detective would be able to eventually find the car, with the Riches' remains maybe still inside. The ensuing investigation could easily lead them to Eden Falls and The Malloys.


True enough, but I know in MY part of the world seeing tracks that go off the road into the woods on what looked to be a pretty deserted road wouldn't lead to any investigation at all (unless prompted by a search for a missing person) ... the general assumption around here would be that someone went off the road and either hired a tow truck or had their buddies pull them out to avoid a DUI. Once the car hit the swamp/pond critters would take care of the remains pretty quick.
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Steve
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:32 am    Post subject: Dahlia is crazy Reply with quote
I think Dahlia was bedazzled by the drunken person’s story and somehow romanticized into wanting to “clean up her act”. I think overall it was very stupid to see the parole officer and expecting him to simply forgive her. She got extremely lucky that he did not turn her in right away. She took a huge risk and put the entire family at risk. As soon as she started to realize her mistake, she agreed to all of his terms, just so he would not take her in. Now she has to live two lives, work a really crappy job and show up in a even worse apartment.
I am not sure what to think about Wayne. I could see how agreeing to stiff the poor victims of New Orleans hurt him very much and how he agreed to it unwillingly. I am not sure that he has done the right thing. I thought it was a little unbelievable how he played Doug’s old friend, but his encounter with the Russian mafia boy explained it somewhat.
I can see the point some of you raised here about Wayne lying to his family. I think the show is very successful in holding a mirror to our society. Greed eats away at people’s integrity and values. Relationships fall apart because of money. Financial success is all that counts these days while a stable relationship and family values is not considered important.
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Steve
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
unholyghost2003 wrote:

I wondered why he didn't tell her that Dale killed Pete myself. The only thing I can figure is that she would panic.

I think he was afraid that Dahlia wouldn't want to go back to the house if she knew that Dale was around or that she would be freaked out by the prospect of Wayne going to prison for helping Dale to hide the body. I think he wanted his Million Dollar deal so badly that he didn't want to risk her not wanting to go back. It took a lot of effort while they were in the RV, and he carefully steered the family convesation towards going back. Saying anything like that would have complicated that task.
Later on he couldn't just bring it up, since he already had left this part out.
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Orbert
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Good point. I'd forgotten about that conversation in the RV, when they were all ready to head to Mexico, then somehow ended up back in Eden Falls anyway.

And you're right; once they were back, it would be a little hard to say "Oh, and by the way, Dale was here, and he killed Pete, but we hid the body. Sorry I didn't mention that before."
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